Dealt with Iron Golems Not Spawning

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  1. Finn_The_Hobbit

    Finn_The_Hobbit Well-Known Member Registered

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    Hello! I have recently constructed a fairly massive Iron Farm, only to discover it was not spawning golems. I have tried every fix under the sun, but no golems. It is very baffling, since I know it is a functional village that should be spawning golems- I have over 10 Villagers, over 21 Doors, and even a detector villager in the middle. The villagers have bred and are still getting hearts, so I know that it is a function village as well- a village that should be spawning golems. I have built the farm correctly, and have gone through a lot of trouble-shooting. Despite this, no golems are spawning, despite several total hours spent either there.
    I have tried asking @Matthias1266 and @LadyoftheRose about this, but they didn't know why Golems weren't spawning. We thought it could do something to go with the difficulty (Which I could neither prove nor disprove), but after it being set to Normal nothing has changed.
    Yesterday I was talking it over with @Tristalb and he was having the same problem with his Iron Farm. However, he informed me that his farm was working- up until a week ago, that is. We have reached the conclusion that @ergology must've disabled Golem spawning.

    Now what I want to know is whether this was intentional, or accidental, and whether or not this will be fixed very soon. We all put a lot of work into our Iron Farms, and we don't want to see it all put to waste. Iron Farms are vital to the economy, as they allow us to sell cheap iron in bulk and allow non-donors a viable way to make lots of cash in a short amount of time. Finally, if this is about iron making hoppers more available which could increase lag, just make it a rule to put droppers on your hoppers (When viable)! It has been proven that droppers on hoppers reduces lag, as shown in this video!

    What I'm trying to say here is that CC will suffer a lot more if Iron Golems are disabled- and in more ways than one. I implore that Staff fix this, and soon! Thank you!
    ~Finn

    (Apologies if this is in the wrong section, wish it could be in Report a Problem and Ask Staff at once!)
     
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    I can see why ergo would disable iron farms because they are op but that doesnt feel right just removing a feature that's part of the game. I can see how iron farms bring economy to Waco but iron farms are hard to make and being able to get auto iron feels like the right reward
     
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    Exactly! A lot of effort goes into creating and maintaining an iron farm, and not everyone is up to it. Those who are, however, are showing their true dedication to not only the Server, but themselves.
    And as for iron farms being "OP", that's only if you create certain designs. Not every Iron Farm out there is "OP", like Nim's design. It's like what you said though, you get what you put into it- anyone can make an "OP" farm, but not many have the dedication to do so. Those who do, however, are rightfully rewarded with the iron. So by removing Iron Golems, @ergology is really only punishing those who have the dedication- the dedication that has kept us with CC after all of these years.
     
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    Heya

    Iron Golems weren't removed on purpose so we're certainly not trying to punish anyone.
    I think we figured out yesterday why they arent spawning, Hopefully this issue will be solved soon.

    Thank you for your patience
    Matthias1266
     
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    Thank you! Will you repost here once its fixed, so that way we'll know once its all patched up? Thanks!
     
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    It has been over a week since I reported this bug, will it be fixed soon? A lot of Players are missing out on a lot of iron (And money!) because of this!
     
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    Since Iron Golems are now spawning again, can we have a discussion about refunding for our iron? I have waited to post this, since I wanted to see if Staff would put out an official announcement regarding this fix- however, no announcement was ever made (Much to my dismay). This bug was in game for at least 4 weeks, and a lot of Players missed out on their iron. It was not our fault that our farms were not working, and despite having the bug reported, it took 3 weeks to fix.
    We can calculate how much iron Players would've missed out on by their farm design and how many hours a day they would've spent AFK. For example, since I built 1/2 of Docm's design, I would receive (On average) 80 Iron an hour. I go AFK for at least 6 hours a day, so I should receive around 480 iron each day. That would come to at least 1440 iron lost over the course of 3 weeks due to this bug.
    (Here is a link where you can check your farms efficiency)
     
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    Heya

    Ive been asking around and it appears that it has indeed been fixed but the reason why 1, it took so long and 2, there hasnt been an announcement is because we've not been able to figure out what's wrong. While fixing other things the Iron Golems started reappearing again, but we dont know what caused it. We hoped to still be able to figure it out but looks like it'll be one of minecrafts deep mysteries.

    About the refund, i'm sorry but this won't be refunded. I hope you understand that it'd be a really big deal if we suddenly gave 1440 iron to let's say, 5-10 players. So sadly, there will not be a refund on this.
    However, your farm is up and working so hopefully that will already give you a head start on some other people in the economy

    ~Enjoy
    Matthias1266
     
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    I am trying to understand why Staff can't refund us, but I am honestly failing to see why. All I can think of is that giving out this much Iron at once would upset the economy (Albeit somewhat temporary), but this could be easily fixed by dosing out the Iron over a course of 3 weeks. Further explanation would be greatly appreciated!

    Although my farm is up and running now- I now have to complete with more Players selling Iron than I would've 3 weeks ago. To be fair, I may be in a better situation than other Players, and my farm may have started running before others- but a few days time isn't that much of a head start compared to 3 weeks. For instance, I've seen a lot more Players building functional farms just a few days after this was fixed. Had Iron Farms been working, I would've been selling Iron and building up a reputation- which would've made dealing with competitors a lot easier. Also, had I known Iron Farms were working 3 weeks ago, dollars to dodo's I would've expanded my Iron Farm. I'd also have the resources available to me to expand onto new projects that require mass amounts of Iron, but that progress was hampered- along with my motivation.

    What I'm trying to say here is that a lot more than our Iron was lost. Our time, motivation, money, iron, and reputation were lost. Those can't be refunded, but at the very least our iron can. However, there are most likely a reason(s) I am unaware of preventing a refund of iron. If this is the case, it could be a good idea to discuss alternative methods of compensation. The reason why I say this is because I am feeling somewhat slighted. As stated above, it was the Server's fault- not ours- that caused this bug. I do not blame Staff at all for this taking so long to fix, since if you don't know what the problem is you can't exactly be expected to fix it. However, I still feel as if compensation is due. I feel as if this situation was flipped, and it was another type of farm malfunctioning because of the Server, but over a shorter period of time that Players would be refunded. I will respect Staff's final decision on the matter, but to do so I need to be able to understand it first. I apologize that I am unable to understand Staff's reasoning on the matter, and that I am unable to understand. Thank you for your patience and understanding!
     
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    I mean Finn let's be honest if they had to refund things that we were waiting for them to fix then, well it would be kinda mayhem so I am on the staff side about not refunding because it's kinda just normal now waiting for things to get fixed
     
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    It is "normal" for Players to lose items due to Server issues, but they are still refunded. Just because this is "normal" doesn't mean that this isn't a problem, and that we shouldn't be refunded.
    Yes, it is "normal" that we have to wait for things to be fixed. However, this situation is different. Players actually lost resources here, and it was because of the Server. When Players have lost items due to Server issues in the past, they have been refunded. To be fair, we are asking for a larger refund now- but only because we lost a lot more over a larger period of time. I honestly don't see why we should suffer due to problems beyond our control.
    That isn't "normal"- Players have been refunded in the past because the issue was beyond their control, and was unpreventable on their part. This is the exact same premise as that, just on a larger scale.
     
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    Along the same lines, can anyone confirm or deny that making a gold farm will indeed produce gold. Before we reset and went to 1.13.2 I made a gold farm, yet no pigmen ever came through the portals. I was told it had something to do with server cap on mobs or something like that. I have yet to try making another gold farm on the new version because it takes a ton of obsidian, and if it doesn't work Im not wasting a week of playtime to place 1400 blocks of Obby only to have to mine them all up again when no pigmen spawn.

    If anyone has already made a gold farm, could you let me know if pigmen come though your portals or not. It would save me a lot of headache if I knew in advance. Thanks!
     
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    Walrus made one, no pigmens spawned; someone else also made one and no luck either @WildAnimalLV
     
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    Gold Farms that utilize Portals are not working as of now, due to Server issues. I believe they stopped functioning around the time Golems did, ask @Walrus for more details though. Hopefully this nasty bug will be fixed in the near future. @Matthias1266 do you know if this will be patched soon?
    As for now, I would normally recommend creating Gold Farms in the Nether... But until it stops resetting we're in a tight situation.
     
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    I think it's because it's considerd natural mob spawning and there is probably a mob cap on curbs raft but mob spawners work amazing
     
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    I just got back from a ~4-5 hour AFK Session at my Iron farm. To my great surprise, my farm had produced zero Iron! I suspect something broke behind the scenes again, although I am not totally sure. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? I wasn't on yesterday, so it might've originated then. Can Staff provide some information on this please?
    Next, Gold Farms still need to be fixed! Can Staff provide details on what exactly caused them to break, where progress is on fixing them, and when they will be fixed please? Nobody likes to be left in the dark, an explanation on this issue would be greatly appreciated!
    Finally, I am still awaiting a response for my refund request above. If Staff have any more questions regarding it, please read everything above first and then ask me if your question is still unanswered. Please give me your response, it has been almost 2 weeks, and I am tired of Staff not being responsive!
     
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    Good news: Rose fixed Golem spawning around ~3:30PM PST yesterday! Now we just need Staff to fix Gold Farms and respond to my refund request here....
     
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    Heya

    So as I said above, sorry but no we cant refund that.
    I get the frustration and extra hard work you gotta put into this now but this is not something that can be realised.

    The gold farms have been fixed as well. So those can be used again, sorry for the delay of the issue fix and the reply.
     
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