Not Accepted At This Time hoppingharry Build Application #3 [Deadline - Sept 30]

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  1. hoppingharry

    hoppingharry Member Registered

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    IGN/in-game name and nick: hoppingharry: No Nick.
    Age: 20
    Corbacraft Rank (on all servers): Corba
    What timezone do you live and/or work in? PST
    Can you use Slack? (Learn about it /HERE/!) If needed.
    Can you use TeamSpeak? (Learn about it /HERE/!) Yes I can.
    How long have you played on the Corbacraft Network?: half a year give or take.
    What time of the day are you most active?: Afternoons, or late mornings.
    Have you ever applied for this position before?: Yes, I was told to wait 2 months by request from Celtic.
    Have you ever been jailed, muted, or banned before on any CC server?: Yes
    Please provide a link to your liteban page (even if you have no record): Liteban for the server is down. I've been kicked once, and falsely punished twice both of which were revoked afterwards.
    What reasons do you have for applying for the builder position? I want to help improve the server, work on events, and bring my skills to the community.
    Have you ever been (or are currently) a builder on another server? I have been builder on several servers, and have lead builders in the past. Hence why I have a large pallet to choose from build wise.
    Do you hold any other position on our server or another server (such as staff)? Technically still a builder on another server but I've taken a break while they sort some fundamentals out. They are trying to start a Caribbean RP server but they have some server issues.
    If yes to above, how will you time manage so one doesn't affect the other? I'm taking a break from the other team? and even when its fixed its unlikely that ill be there full time since most their stuff is done.


    Build Showcase: Please include screenshots + coords and server of your builds that can be found on the CC network. While showcasing your builds please try to talk us through what we’re looking at.

    The start of my castle, Its built on Philia, Heres a picture + chords.
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    Well that's my application, I was told to wait a week for the new system to be put in which hopefully by now it has. Thank you for reading, This has been Harry with another application. T-Th-Tha-That-That's all folks~
     
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    10/10 would build again xD
     
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    Atm, my stance is neutral for giving support.

    While I do love your build style (as I've seen you out did yourself with your player shop and the castle, so far, looks lovely), I'm hesitant about how well you would work with others.

    I've had a couple of instances where you would lash out at me if I said something that offended you, and I've seen this happen with others on the forums. Yes, you will have arguments and disagreements, but in order to work effectively on a team, working to find the problem and come up with solution is teamwork. Instead of saying that "I see your point of view on this, and I'll correct this", you would instead bullet point why I was wrong and would close off all communication with me afterwords.

    Overall, what I would like to see (if celt gives a builds challenge), is good communication, teamwork (with getting materials if need be), and motivation. Will look forward to seeing if a builds challenge will be given and will update my support stance when that happens.
     
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    As you know potential builders are issued challenges. Your challenge will be a Batman statue 75 to 90 blocks tall in the style of Tim Burton. Feet squared with shoulders, arms crossed, slightly downward gaze. Include the cape. FYI there is a small bidding ware starting on sale of the statue. This will be viewed from ground level so keep in mind Micheal Angelo's take on the foreshortened view with his statue David. You are welcome to ask for clarification.
     
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    Oh my god the Tim Burton batmans were my childhood. Ill see what I can do. Where do you want it built and are there any other details I should know about the challenge.
     
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    You can build it on whatever server you want. As for details that Celt left out was mostly the deadline - as with any applicant we give a 2 week deadline. The challenge was issued yesterday so 2 weeks from yesterday will be September 23.

    If you can't complete it within that given time please message myself or Celt and we'll give an extension but only a few extensions will be given so please keep that in mind.
     
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    I've scaled him down but I'm rather certain that he will be taller than 90 blocks... more like 115... Here the current Day 1 progress.
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    In my claim where it is safe.
     
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    I think Celt is wanting to know server/coordinates.
     
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    Best Head I could provide given the parameters of the Batman.
    Front of his chest is mostly finished, His shoulders locations have been corrected so I can do those soon. His waist, Upper legs, Belt, and upper chest, have also been changed slightly since the legs were moved one block closer to fix scaling issues. Detail was added to his belt. Dark grey blocks were added to highlight detail since it being all black made it hard to make out muscles, flexes, and changes to the movement of the statue. I'm wondering if you might want to have his arms bent forwards either side of him with clenched fists as to match the iconic batman pose throughout all the batman's we have had instead of having them crossed. Also here's the chords.
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    Good work so far with your project, looks nice :) Overall my personal opinion of how you would work on the builds team however is not all that optimal. When CC experienced all those changes specifically with Philia it was always nice to have a player or two who wasn't so negative all the time. Sadly I can't say that you were one of these players and I should hope that someone who wants to do more for the server isn't a proponent of negativity during sensitive times like these, which is why I am hesitant to be on board with your application. I wish I could say there is a way for you to prove that you can change your attitude with this regard but the damage has been done.

    I would recommend trying to keep a more positive attitude- this doesn't mean you have to like changes or even things that have been a certain way for a while, simply do not express this in a negative or unproductive manner. You can always recommend changes the more specific and realistic the better. But in the past especially with these specific instances I saw the opposite happening: you were very critical of "staff" as a whole when the emeralds were removed from /store1, there was your very interesting post about the prizes in the voting crate which didn't last very long and really did not reflect well on you as a person in regard to the server. I realize that in your thread about the Philia economy you started looking for solutions and being more productive overall after the first few replies but your initial post was angry and argumentative, self control is not just a recommendation for members of CC teams.

    Ideally I would like for you to be in a position where you are critical, yes, but in a positive manner, where you can reflect on what is good, what needs improvement, without creating a social barrier that, in reality, separates you at least from me at the moment- one created by hostility towards the server. Sometimes it is important to step back and remember that this isn't that important. But at the same time when you have spent the last few days working on a project only to find that it gets overlooked in light of things that you cannot control it is depressing, regardless of the fact that it's a game. In the same mindset when you have been working on a project for a month or two to have it go poof it is just as frustrating- which is why we all have to possess that self control to be able to move on, the past cannot be changed but it can be used to better the future.

    I also want to address a bit of a different concern with your attitude which is in regard to the various builds that you believe you can improve. I know that everyone isn't as good at you as building or doesn't put the same amount of work in as you know you would, however you must help these people improve and learn without interfering or taking it upon yourself to independently make these improvements: something that your mindset, in my experience, does not appear to be. So say that SoandSo has an event, it's ok but you know you can make it better. I believe your goal should not be to make it better on your own. Instead there's a process that's been drilled into my head various times referred to as the EDGE method, or explain, demonstrate, guide, and enable- so that you allow the creator of the event to not only learn but have improved their event. Maybe it's still not to the level you want, but we are here to build each other up, not just the server. In other words I would like for you to change your goals from improving builds to improving builds and builders, because you know just as well as I do that you are a very capable builder.

    Hope this makes sense. If you have any questions or concerns please ask me via conversation and keep up the good work on your project B)
     
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    I also agree with MrP. You are a good builder but your behavior isn't the best. Being apart of the builds team is more than just being a good builder...it's about being able to work on a team and give more than just building experience or critiques...which personally I feel you're lacking. Put our differences aside and don't factor that in and I would say the same thing and agree with MrP, which, as I said, I do.

    However, good luck.
     
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    Could you maybe have a better picture, such as a daytime scene?

    Being someone who has no access to getting to coords easily, the picture given is very hard to see the full detail.
     
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    Going to be frank. Since I feel that's the best way to go about addressing this. None of you, except for Celtic have ever worked with me on "Anything" Ever.
    While I respect your concerns and opinions as staff, I find it hard to believe you have such elevated concerns when you've never had experience working with me at all.
    If this came from Celtic It would carry more weight since I've worked with him a lot in the past on different issues, all of which ended with a positive outcome. I am critical yes, but that's part of having a better product in the end. No disrespect intended there at all. its just common sense that having worked with someone, their opinions would be more meaningful than someone I haven't.

    With "Insulting Builds" I'm not sure I follow? I've only made a few comments in the past, all of which were not with any of you and were all very small concerns such as "Window Placement on a few shops." Or "The Design (Gameplay wise) of the old Maze." While in those two contexts its a very valid concern. Outside of those two I don't go around and insult builders. Where this comes from I have no idea as I don't believe in a bad builder. I only believe that everyone has potential and sometimes they just need a hand to get on their feet.

    I will have Batman Finished soon. I may need one extension as i'm still searching for legitimate reference material on a particular pose I promised Celtic I would get done. Most the reference material is using the wrong suit from the Christopher Nolan Batman films. While some of these poses can be scaled down to the Tim Burton Batman suit, a few such as the arms cannot. If all else fails Ill do the arms free hand with no reference images.

    As for Alice needing a better photo, I will take one as soon as I can find the appropriate reference material. The photo was a bit dark, I fully agree. I just wanted to take one while it wasn't raining, batman tends to vanish in the rain not even joking.

    Thank you all for your opinions and concerns. While some confuse me a little, the vast majority of them do give me something to seriously think about. Ill update you all with an image once I can get the appropriate reference material and log on the server next. Id be asking for a one week extension at most.
     
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    @hoppingharry

    I'll ask celt and/or Gigi regarding a week extension or however long.

    As for the confused comments, regarding critical of builds, mrp was directing more towards your previous two build apps (on our new forums) which stated your reasoning for applying was to improve the quality of builds, as they "needed improvements".
     
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    When I say improve quality i'm not saying they are bad builds by any means. When I say improve quality I mean I can help make a build better through the skill set ive gained over the years. Its not to fix builds its just to improve upon them.
     
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    The week extension is fine IRL happens and I gave Harry a deceptively difficult test in design and execution.

    Here we come to the real substance of Harry's challenge, namely his relationship with staff. His relationship with staff has been colorful to say the least, but it has also softened with time.

    To all of you who are looking for sincere apologies, this is including staff as well as Harry, sometimes the sincerest apologies are in the form of actions and a change or a softening of attitude instead of formal expression of words. These after all have to come before the words can be spoken with sincerity.

    The most important part of Harry's response is:
    ".... Thank you all for your opinions and concerns. While some confuse me a little, the vast majority of them do give me something to seriously think about. ... "

    He's being totally honest and open about what he understands and doesn't understand about the dynamics of his relations with staff. That understanding is in development atm: it is still becoming clear to him. Most importantly, he also signaled, on his part, the need to reflect and develop. That process is not one sided. It has to be bipartisan. It also takes time, so be patient and generous on both sides. That, if given a chance, will lead to a meaningful and sustainable and mutual understanding which is the basis of any good relationship.

    TLNR There is homework for everyone here. Whether you think its a 40:60 deal or 60:40 deal, take care of your end of it. That at least will act as an incentive for mutual respect.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    I hope by typing this out, it won't ruffle any feathers further but I still feel I need to give my two cents or make a response to Celt's and Harry's. After typing all this out, I was going to split my responses between Harry and Celt but...well, I kinda tied them together LOL hopefully it all makes sense.

    Harry - First off, I do agree that a 1 week extension is fine. If Celt hadn't gotten to it, I was going to give the go ahead myself and approve of it.

    Second, let me see if I can explain this in a way that won't come out like a blubbery mess. In the first response, you state "I've only made a few comments in the past, all of which were not with any of you and were all very small concerns such as "Window Placement on a few shops" but this confuses me...If this was the case then why was the entirety of your shop changed on Philia? I understand that Celt worked with you but by making the changes you made, that proves you weren't happy with the build and wanted to change it to fit your needs and your tastes. This goes beyond just some simple window changes and/or small minor changes that you are making it seem to be. One person doesn't need to actually state something in order for it to be true? if that makes sense. In other words, you may not have directly, at any point said "this build sucks. I'm going to change it" but by changing it, being persistent about changing it and then actually going through with it is the equivalent of actually saying it.

    Thirdly....I do appreciate, as Celt pointed out, the few things that you said as in you thanked us and would think on the things that were stated but that can often times be "empty air" or mean nothing if action isn't followed.

    That brings me onto (I think) my last concern. We, staff, have been willing to work with you and I feel we are willing to work with anyone but...it's mutual. A solution can only be made when the other party is willing to work together. I have not seen this from you. Maybe with Celt, yes, but there is more to the builds team than Celt (he does do a lot though). The same idea can be said about the staff team as well. I can't speak for the others but, as staff, when I or someone else has approached you about something, you seem to not agree. That is alright, not everyone will agree but you disagree to a point where you make a fuss in chat, whether in public chat or PMs, you don't seem to let go of things even when asked to stop, which when asking you to stop you get even more upset or impatient or whatever it may be and then those actions you keep bringing up even after some time has passed. Sometimes simultaneously, you'll even bring the topic to the forums and then hold that grudge or constantly remind others and that party of the mistakes in the past or the things that have happened in the past. So because of these reasons....this is why I feel that we can't work with you because you won't work with us. The rules are put in place for a reason, if we ask you not to do something or if we warn or jail...we don't do so just because we're bored or we abuse powers. Not one person is more worthy than the rest and exempt from being punished in any way.

    While I was typing that last bit, I realized I had something else to mention and that goes back to Celt. It's great that Celt and yourself have been able to work together and come to understandings and all that good stuff but you need to realize that the builds team is not just Celt. He is the manager, yes, but by being on the team you will need to also work with me and you may not like that but that's the way the cookie crumbles. You will also need to be able to work with the other builders. While Celt is manager and I am assistant manager, I believe we both understand the importance of being on a team and we realize that we are a team. Not one person will "run" the team or try to overthrow this builder to that builders opinions and I fear that's something you may do. The builds team does not come down to one person and no time in the future, as far as I'm concerned, will it. Celt and I will do what's best for the team and we will listen to the entirety of the teams' responses...not just that of one person and have that person think that the builds team is hanging by a thread and they're the ones keeping it together. We've had that happen a few times in the past (from what I've gathered) and as, I think, Celt has stated before, we are in a good place right now - I would hate to see our progress go back 5 steps.

    While you've been honest and frank, so have I and I hope you understand that this is me trying to be understanding of you and willing to work with you but as I stated, it will need to go both ways. Hopefully in your response, I will be able to get a sense of that becoming a reality.
     
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    Just to bullet point what we are saying:

    -Builder Team is a TEAM and not a me,myself, and I thing
    -Need to be able to take no for an answer
    -Don't step out of bounds without permission
    -Need to be able to work with other members of our team. This may mean working with events staff, server staff or other builders.
    -Discuss issues instead of lashing out

    If all of these can be achieved, I'm sure the "strained" relationship we both are experiencing may be resolved.
     
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